Why Leaving a Narcissist Is Never as Simple as It Looks

Dr. Ramani Durvasula on trauma bonding, the confusion it leaves behind, and how healing actually happens

A 90-minute conversation with Dr. Ramani Durvasula, facilitated by Joseph Saavedra, LMFT.

About this conversation

Most people who've been in a relationship with a narcissist don't lack strength. They lack an explanation for something that felt almost impossible to name.

Dr. Ramani goes deep on trauma bonding: what it is, why it forms, and why it makes leaving feel so much harder than anyone on the outside can understand. She talks about the confusion and self-blame that tend to follow, why those aren't signs that something is wrong with you, and what healing actually looks like.

If narcissism isn't quite the word you'd use for what you lived through, but you recognise the pull, the self-doubt, and the exhaustion of a relationship you could never fully make sense of, this conversation may reach something you've been trying to name for a long time.

What's covered

  • Why trauma bonds form, and why they're so hard to recognise from the inside
  • Why leaving isn't simple, and what that says (and doesn't say) about your strength
  • How narcissistic abuse, in relationships and in families, quietly dismantles your sense of who you are
  • Why you might keep finding yourself in the same painful places, and how to approach that pattern with curiosity instead of shame
  • What it looks like to begin coming back to yourself, especially when the harm started before you were old enough to know it was happening

How the recording is structured

The full recording is broken into 13 short parts you can watch at your own pace.

The conversation (6 parts). Joe and Dr. Ramani in conversation, covering trauma bonding, self-blame, what happens after, rebuilding the self, discernment in community, and a reframe of boundaries.

Participants Q&A (6 parts). Participants brought their own situations into the room. Topics include financial entanglement and coercive control, caring for an aging narcissistic parent, recovery groups that aren't safe, forgiveness, being the one in the family who sees clearly, and rebuilding with an adult child who was turned against you.

Closing reflection. Dr. Ramani's final answer to one of the questions members ask most: what would she want someone still blaming themselves to hear?


A glimpse inside the workshop. 


If any of this feels familiar, this conversation may help you begin to see it differently.

Dr. Ramani Durvasula

Dr. Ramani is a licensed clinical psychologist, professor of psychology, and one of the world's leading voices on narcissism and relational trauma. She is the author of It's Not You, Should I Stay or Should I Go?, and Don't You Know Who I Am?, and her work has reached millions through her YouTube channel, podcast, and media appearances.

Joe Saavedra, LMFT

Joe is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist with certifications in trauma, sex addiction, and multiple addictions. Through his practice, Emmaus Road Counseling Colorado, Joe works with individuals and couples navigating relational trauma, sexual integrity issues, and the lasting impact of addiction.

This recording is provided for educational and recovery-supportive purposes. It is intended to complement, not replace, professional mental health care, therapy, treatment, or your existing recovery program. Viewing this workshop does not create a therapeutic or clinical relationship with Recovery Reimagined or the presenter.